APPRAISAL With Timothy Good, October 9, 2007 By Kenneth J. McCormick Webmaster All round Facts Net
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Timothy Good is a famous British ufo investigator and the author of many ufo books. His latest, “Need To Know” is due out at the end of this month and is a must read. It contains many interesting new facts and will have you wondering why we never knew about some of these things and where are we headed as a race? http://www.timothygood.co.uk/
Ken, webmaster of About Facts Net. http://aboutfacts.net Webmaster@aboutfacts.net Audio of the interview is available on the website.
Timothy Good’s latest book that is coming out at the end of this month. It is fascinating and I used it as a basis of many of my questions. The book is “Need To Know” and the publisher is Pegasus Books.
Ken:
First of all, I think that you have a very unusual background for a ufo investigator and I think my readers would like to know more about your musical background, could you tell us a little bit more about that?
Timothy Good:
Sure well, my father was a very distinguished violinist and was among the first to broadcast recitals on the violin for the new BBC, the British Broadcasting Corporation back in the 1920s and obviously it was in the family and I started learning when I was 5 years old.
Ken:
That is very interesting. You are one of the world’s preeminent ufo investigators and authors, tell us about some of the books you have written, including the new book that is about to be released.
Timothy Good:
Well Okay, the first book I actually wrote was ‘George Adamski The Untold Story’, which I coauthored with Lou for Louise Zinsstag, a lovely Swiss friend of mine who was a second cousin of Carl Jung, the great psychologist, with whom she used to discuss the ufo subject and Adamski in particular. I just felt that Adamski had been misrepresented quite a bit and the first part by Lou, who knew Adamski for many many years and was his Swiss coworker in fact and she had herself many unusual experiences along the lines of Adamski, together with other coworkers, so she was convinced that he was very truthful about most things, but she became disturbed as did many of the other coworkers, much later in his life, by some of the things he was saying, but she will always stand by the basic premise that he actually had contact with extraterrestrials and that he met them here on planet Earth. My part was a sort of critical evaluation of Adamski’s claims and I have to also confess that I myself have had 3 or 4 encounters with beings, that I am convinced were from elsewhere. One of them was very, very, similar to the female occupants of the spaceships in which Adamski flew, way back in the mid 1950s and that was absolutely extraordinary and that experience was on the borders of California and Arizona and that was in 1963 when I was touring with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, its a long story, but if you want to get into that later I would be glad. In 1967 I had a far more conclusive event, again telepathy was involved. It was a proof that there are highly telepathic beings around who know more than we thought and that really clinched it for me and that was back in February of 1967, when I was touring, well I was actually giving a series of concerts with the London Symphony Orchestra in Carnegie Hall. We were there in 67 when I had that second and sort of cathartic encounter, that convinced me that there are indeed some beings from elsewhere, living on this planet.
Ken:
Well maybe you could tell us what was your first experience that really got you into the field of ufo investigation?
Timothy Good:
Well it goes back to 1955 Ken. I have always been mad about aircraft and space travel, so when an American cousin, a really interesting guy really, Edmund C. Berkeley, he was the first, I believe, to produce a magazine on computers back in the 40s and it was called “Computers and Automation” and we thought he was completely bonkers. He was a brilliant man, Harvard graduate and he gave me this book on flying saucers in 1955 and it was called, “The Flying Saucers Are Real”, by Major Donald Keyhoe. He said Timothy, you love planes and spaceships, you need to know about flying saucers. So that began it, I read the book and I read all these reports by airline pilots, near collisions with ufos, jet interceptors sent to chase ufos all over the place and radar confirmed sightings, air traffic controllers concerned all over the states and abroad and that was it. I was hooked and at that time I was in school, so I couldn’t get into any investigation at that time. That started in 1961, when I read Captain Edward Ruppelt’s famous book, “The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects”. Its a great classic and even by today’s standards, it is an extraordinary work given that Reppult was an intelligence officer and the first head of Project Bluebook, which as you know started back in 1952 and he was convinced that we indeed were being visited and that all the proof was there.
Ken:
Okay, I saw something that you were writing about in your new book, that I have never heard of before and it caught my eye. You mentioned that research was conducted into ufos by Mussolini in the 1930s.
Timothy Good:
It started with the landing of an unconventional aircraft, very unconventional obviously, in 1933 near Milan. The crash landing, the first ufo retrievable story, dates back to 1933 way before Roswell and Mussolini who was a pilot, of course at the time he was a sort of Fascist dictator of Italy, but he was also a very keen pilot. He became very gripped by these reports and it continued. There were reports in 1936 that Italian pilots chasing ufos could never get anywhere near them. There were quite, quite vivid descriptions, I forget how long it lasted, I think it was certainly continued into the Second World War. It was started in 1933 and called the Special Research Unit number 33 or RS33 for short and it was headed by Marconi, the great Italian engineer who was one of the first to deal with radio broadcasting and all that and there were many other people like astronomers involved. Actually Marconi didn’t get involved in many of the investigations, perhaps he had things he thought were more important things to do. But certainly this was a top secret unit that was established at that time to investigate the ufo phenomena.
Ken:
You know its funny, most of us think that we know most of this historical data, but new stuff keeps popping up. Most people in this country believe that Roswell was the first purported crash landing of a ufo with aliens aboard, yet in your book you claim that two years before Roswell a ufo crashed near Detroit, maybe you would tell us about that?
Timothy Good:
I learned this from a pilot, let me tell you the story. In the late summer of 1945, the war was still going on and the Japanese had been sending these fugos balloons, balloon bombs, over the states and a few of them got as far as Michigan, but most of them fell into the Pacific Ocean.They drifted by the air currents and a few of them were successful, but I think that only 2 or 3 people died on examining these balloon bombs, when they came down on the west coast. In July 1945, they were considered balloon bombs over the Detroit area, an army airfield, Selfridge Air Field. They asked for a pilot to volunteer to shoot down these Japanese things. They were convinced they were balloons and there were quite a few of them over this airfield. So who volunteered, but a Free French Air Force Pilot, who was of course on detachment with the United States Army Air Forces at the time as a Thunderbolt trainer on P-47s. He went up and he told me that he took it absolutely beyond its service ceiling, going full blast on the throttle and he eventually got one of these balloons in his sites and he let rip with the eight machine guns in the wings of the Thunderbolt and suddenly this thing, it looked like a sphere when he first watched it, suddenly flipped on its side and shot off at a phenomenal speed at right angles and he said to me, “THIS WAS NO BALLOON!”.
Ken:
That’s interesting
Timothy Good:
So you see a Frenchmen was the first to try and defend the United States against alien invaders. I need to pick you up on your original question, the crash of a plane, it was in Colorado near Denver. This guy, Commander Jean Kisling told me that he learned a jet had been sent up to shoot down a ufo and the plane itself had been knocked out of the sky and crashed somewhere near Denver.
Ken:
Ah ha
Timothy Good:
It wasn’t a ufo that actually came down near Denver at that time, but I have a case from August of 1945, which took place in New Mexico, which I have gone into in a little detail, it is quite an interesting story, it took place…I am trying to think of exactly where, there were these 2 boys, they were young boys at the time and they were working on the farm with their families and things on horseback looking after the farm. The boys names were Jose Padilla and Reme Baca. The actual date of the event was late August, after the first atomic bomb was exploded and near a place called San Antonito near San Antonio, New Mexico, somewhere near the border and they were on horseback and they saw this brilliant light, accompanied by a crunching sound and eventually came upon a dull gray…, they said it was an avocado shaped craft that had a protuberance toward one end from which could be seen smoke from the burning wreckage and they said that scattered among the debris were shiny tin foil like pieces of metal and there was a gash in the side of the craft thhough movement movement could be seen…. they were looking from a distance. There were definitely humanoid like creatures moving around, Reme Baca told me in quick darting movements, making squeaking sounds. They said that it was like a rabbit that was being killed. The boys headed back to the ranch to tell the owner Falcina Padilla what had happened and he said that he and the others would check it out in a day or two. That is a strange reaction to a possible aircraft crash with injured occupants, one would think, but anyway 2 days later the owner of the ranch with a state policeman and the boys, headed for the crash site. At first they couldn’t find anything, the craft had been covered with dirt and debris to disguise it The creatures were gone and the huge debris field had been cleaned and raked over. Evidently the US Army had learned about the incident and were going to pick it up later. Reme Baca and Jose Padilla were able to watch the actual recovery operation from a distance with binoculars. Eventually there was one period where, for a few hours, it wasn’t being guarded, the soldiers went down to the local bar I believe, they didn’t know what they had at this time, quite frankly. They claim to have gotten inside this craft, at least Jose told me that he clamored onto the lowboy, where this craft had been strapped and readied to be taken away to White Sands the next day and they pried a souvenir piece from a bulkhead. I’ve seen it and examined it and I am not convinced, it certainly appears to me very Earth like. It looks like a bracket of some kind, its 12 inches long and weighs 15 ounces and contains a number of holes for fasteners of some kind.
Ken:
Has it ever been tested?
Timothy Good:
Yes a section was cut off, as well as acid tests reveal it to be 200 series aluminum or similar, which is hardly conclusive to me, even though evidently it is very light. It is a bracket of some kind with counter sunk places where screws could go in or bolts or whatever. I am just not convinced by that. Certainly the witnesses sound sincere to me, maybe the craft was something primitive. I don’t know, but they were young boys at the time, I think about 7 and 9, or something like that, off the top of my head. But definitely, these creatures looked very very strange. Reme told me that when they saw them, they had dragonfly type eyes, as far as they could make out from a distance. There were crashes in World War I and World War II as well, in Hawaii for example. I’ve also got a case, there was one in Poland where a craft came to ground with a very humanoid type female occupant on board and she asked this guy if he could help her clear the craft, the craft had come down and half impacted into the sand and buried in the north Baltic coast. I find that a very convincing story indeed, very compelling. So there were things before Roswell. Even Roswell, yes we are getting more information now, but I think the really sensational event was probably Aztec in March of 1948, when the craft that was recovered was more or less in perfect condition and the scientists probably had a lot more time over the years and over the decades to find what it was comprised of.
Ken:
Okay, I know you covered this business about the bracket, but I would just like to ask one more question, you say that was aluminum type 200?
Timothy Good:
Yep 200 series.
Ken:
Did they have aluminum type 200 in 1945?
Timothy Good:
I wouldn’t know, I would like to know.
Ken:
That’s a good question isn’t it, I am going to check that out myself.
Timothy Good:
They didn’t say it was type 200, they said it was similar to 200 series aluminum.
Ken:
Got you. According to your book, NASA had alien bones and an alien skull on the premises in 1977. I don’t want you to name any names, but could you tell me how you went about finding something like this out?
Timothy Good:
The story was published in a German book, ‘Das Alien Imperium: UFO-Geheimnisse der USA” by Andreas von Retyi, published by Langen-Muller in Germany in 1995. I had the extract translated. I find it very compelling because this engineer, this biophysicist, this Polish biophysicist, Dr. Cris, in 1974 was asked, together with a small team of scientists on contract to NASA, to analyze extraordinary material and the materials were really like nothing that they had encountered before, and in 1977 the same team met again in NASA’s JPL at Cal Tech in Pasadena and during his party, the official that was retiring took these biophysicists, they were a team, there were half a dozen of them, French, Italian, Polish and British and they were taken to a vault 3 levels below ground level into this top secret vault, apparently where it was protected by a heavy door with two seals and they were taken into this room about 8 to 10 meters in length and about 4 meters wide and the first thing that they saw were two small shiny plexiglas containers. In one of the two, there was a hip bone, the bottom of it was broken off. It looked like a child’s hip bone, but the form was different and the bone structure too and the shape and color were different. The bone was not typical yellowish white, but grayish white. So said this guy who was given the pseudonym of Dr. Cris. He said the cavity for the bone marrow was smaller and the structures where the muscles were attached were formed differently. In the second plexiglas container he says we saw the fragment of a skull, maybe 1/3rd or 40 percent of it. The segment included the eye socket and part of the right part of the skull. The head was about as big as that of an elderly child. It looked human like, but derived neither from a child or from an ape. The color was different from that of the hip bone, it appeared lighter. I don’t know if some parts of the bone had been damaged by fire, in any case the color was not the same. He said that the part of the skull protecting the brain was much thinner than a human’s scalp. Now in that context, it is interesting that the nurse who attended one of the autopsies at Roswell Army Air Field, according to Glenn Dennis, described the scalp of one of the beings as being flexible, so that’s interesting.
Ken:
Yes that is interesting.
Timothy Good:
And these exhibits were given a small printed explanation. It said,” from the first and second incidents in New Mexico”. The team of scientists tried to get the American chap in charge, who was retiring, to say what this meant. He said that is highly secret and we are not allowed to talk about that. Well anyway, what I find that even more interesting is that Dr. Cris said that later in 1947, there had been at least two spaceships with at least 2 crews of 3 that had crashed and he added that one member of the second crew had survived. I don’t know anything specific about his fate. The first 3 beings were mostly charred, while the next 2 was mostly preserved for example. For example the scalp, skin and bones. There were also parts of clothing found. As I learned from from biologists, their blood is similar to ours, but shows a totally different reaction towards oxygen, so inside the spaceship they must breathe a mixture of helium and oxygen. Nitrogen, for whatever reason, is not good for them and I know Andreas Von Retyi and I am sure that, that is a very genuine case.
Ken:
I think it is amazing that the particular nurse that you are talking about, how every record of her’s was completely erased from Roswell to make her a non entity, you know what I mean?
Timothy Good:
Well yeah. its interesting, you know that Glenn Dennis gave out the name of Safe, or Selff I think, I am sorry I forget, I should check and get all my facts. It was Naomi Self I think. Anyway according to the air force, according to their investigations, all the information Glenn Dennis provides, accurately describes a first lieutenant Eileen M. Fanton. I’ve actually reproduced a photograph from the US Air Force, you know Roswell Case Closed book.
Ken:
Yeah I’ve done a little research myself.
Timothy Good
I think that’s very interesting, so you know that the jury’s still open on that one.
Ken:
I didn’t write this question down, but it come to mind. With all these ufo crashes many people believe that even though these ships have advanced beings flying them, that because of the type of propulsion they are using, like antigravity propulsion, that technically they are unstable at slower speeds and that this causes some of the crashes. Do you believe that?
Timothy Good:
I think it is quite likely. It is sort of being surmised that the new high powered radar was put in New Mexico to sort of defend White Sands, because that area was the first area where the Abomb was tested, exploded and a lot of other things involving ufos. Actually ufos were very busy in New Mexico, there was no question, because of our developments with nuclear weapons and so forth. So they were buzzing all over the place and I think that in addition to the possibility that radar took some of them down, I think that others were actually shot down later on, using all sorts of sophisticated weapons. I have heard all sorts of rumors about that time and what I am told by Jon Andy Kissner, former state representative for the town Las Cruces, that’s right, yeah, he was also in the defense industry, very well connected and he gave me a lot of extremely important new information relating to the air disasters which followed the first tests of V-2 Rockets. The case actually described and I reproduced, thanks to Andy Kissner’s research that he kindly gave me permission to use as much as I wanted, he had great research, actual newspaper articles confirming that peculiar phenomena were responsible for bringing down prematurely a V-2 Rocket. This was several months before Roswell. I reproduced the actual newspaper there, which shows the director of the White Sands missile test center confirming this officially. What happened then was that there was a renewed effort on the part of the Army Air Forces as they still wanted to bring some of these things down for instance, for evaluation. There could have been a conflict ever since, in my opinion, with some or even several extraterrestrial species. Anyway that set things off, when we started firing at them and actually succeeded, I am told, in bringing down the two of them, that came down somewhere in the vicinity of Roswell and other areas as you know. You know the story there. I don’t think that all the facts have been released but, I was told what happened in sort or May and or June 1947, some of these things these craft were knocked out of the sky and the one that came down at Roswell, I am told by Andy Kissner, took several days before it came down and several of these craft were seen wobbling around the sky, literally, as if they were sort of in trouble and then they came down in New Mexico and retrievable teams were sent out.
Ken:
So apparently we had something that would interfere with the magnetic field.
Timothy Good:
Or what ever. What I’m told brought those down, they did try regular antiaircraft shells, but they found the most effective thing was proximity fuse weapons, they are geared to explode at a predetermined distance,on getting close to the target. Apparently that’s what happened, they brought several of these things down and then all hell let loose, because they started retaliating and not just in the United States, but worldwide. Again I reproduced some of the actual articles, some are a little difficult to read, but you can get the gist of the whole thing.
Ken:
That was a question that I was going to ask you, believe it or not. You are going to answer the question between the years 52 and 56 about the 1773 aircraft accidents?
Timothy Good:
Yes I am going to talk about that, but first of all this is in1947 before Roswell, hundreds of aircraft crashes occurred not just in the United States, but all over the world and there is no doubt in my mind, that these crashes were indeed ufo related. It was retaliation on their part. Now what I found particularly disturbing when I was presented with this massive evidence, its understandable if interceptors were sent up and knocked out of the sky, which has happened many times, or made to disappear or whatever, but there were airliners that were unable to get off the ground, this happened on many occasions all over the world and unexplained crashes. The official explanation. was that the planes were running out of fuel. Well you don’t get that many planes running out of fuel, when they have just been fully fueled and not even gotten into the air. So there were these many, many unexplained accidents and I eventually managed, thanks to Richard H. Hall, the great researcher with Donald Keyhoe, from Doctor Olavo Fontes, the actual Defense Department statistics from 1952 to late 1956 on aircraft crashes. Interestingly these statistics reveal that out of 18,662 major military aircraft accidents, most of which incidentally involved the latest jet fighters and other inceptor aircraft, 1,773 were due to unknown factors. That is officially confirmed by the United States Defense Department statistics.
Ken:
That’s incredible.
Timothy Good:
It is also incredible that there were 18,662 major military aircraft accidents in that period.
Ken:
Yeah it sure is. Tell us a little bit about the interceptors that disappeared. What I am curious about is, was there any pattern to their disappearance, in other words did they show electrical problems as they got closer to these discs?
Timothy Good:
Yes, absolutely, in many cases. The most classic one for me, the most interesting one and I think that there must have been hundreds, if not, well I would put it conservatively at maybe several thousand unexplained accidents and disappearances. But I think the most interesting one occurred in I think, June of 1953 when an F-94C Starfire was sent up from Otis Air Force Base in Massachusetts, on the coast of Massachusetts to chase an ariel intruder. I mean this thing, these things were happening every day at that time. I mean there was nothing exceptional about it. It was quite normal. Pilots were sent up to investigate these things and to shoot them down and this was in June of that year, 53. A Starfire was sent up. The pilot was sitting in the front seat and in the rear was the radio, radar operator and they got to just over 1,000 feet to chase this intruder away, this unexplained flying object, when all power failed, absolutely everything, the engine failed the whole lot. The rear seat guy is supposed to eject first, but nothing happened or we simply don’t know what happened, but anyway there was no time to mess around, so the pilot in the front pulled the ejection seat canopy, they shot off then he ejected, he came down and the parachute managed to open in time and he landed in a populated area, a suburban area, fully expecting the rear seater to come down after him. What happened, nothing. There was no sign of the radar observer, no sign of the Starfire jet. The only thing that they found was the cockpit canopy, which of course had just been ejected prior to the pilot having ejected. I find that a very convincing story and I know one of the investigators, I know Major Donald Keyhoe investigated it, Bob Pratt who died in recent years sadly, was a great researcher, he was convinced that it was very real based on the people he spoke to. So that’s just one of many, many cases. I think that they are probably still happening, but we don’t get to hear about them so much.
Ken:
Well one thing I have noticed is that, at least with the American military, they have tried to harden all their electronic and computer parts in all of their planes. Now it makes me wonder if really the main reason they were doing this is because of ufo attacks?
Timothy Good:
Um, Ken you could be right, I hadn’t though of that, but what I do know of course is that there are EM effects from the weapons that the military has, certainly not .., I forget the name of the experiment.
Ken:
Well they get EM when they explode nuclear weapons too.
Timothy Good:
Right, Okay, but I know that there was some tests being done, I am sorry I can’t….EMP! Electro Magnetic Pulse have been conducted before, for decades.
Ken:
Yes they claim…
Timothy Good:
They need to be able to counter that, so that might equally well involve Electro Magnetic Pulse guns we are using, perhaps to counter the alien threat. There are all sorts of possibilities, the sky’s open, but there is definitely a conflict and that is one of the reasons, in my opinion for the extreme secrecy attached to the subject.
Ken:
One thing that caught my eye was that you talked about Project Blue Book, giving camera set ups to a B-36 bomber that photographed a large ufo. Now most of us that know anything about ufos have always thought that Project Blue Book was impotent. They really didn’t do anything except…
Timothy Good:
There was a public Project Blue Book and there was a covert Project Blue Book. Indeed there were many compartments, sometimes consisting of just 3 or 4 people, high powered scientists. I’ve listed some of the various projects at that time that were going on and there was a special group within Blue Book. I’ve given some of the details of that in the book, I don’t know if I can lay my hands on it but, I have produced a document in connection with submarine encounters with ufos or usos in 1952 and I reproduced an interesting document which I got under the Freedom of Information Act decades ago, Its very interesting because…if I can just find the right page here, I wish I had a photographic memory.
Ken:
Don’t we all.
Timothy Good:
Anyway if I can’t find it, it was a top secret group within Blue Book and I think it was AFOIN-X(SG) or something like that. I’m probably just coming up to it but, no guarantee, no I can’t….I think its in a chapter on naval intelligence. Sorry I can’t find it.
Ken:
That’s quite alright.
Timothy Good:
It just difficult with the phone in one hand and the…
Ken:
Of course.
Timothy Good:
Well in any event, to answer the other part of your question, which was about Blue Book itself and you wanted to know about this case, the sort of Dakota’s case, becaue it was between North and South Dakota, of an RB36H Peacemaker 10 engined bomber, which had provisions for carrying nuclear weapons. There is not a precise date given, but Richard Haines and others investigated this case and he spoke to at least one of the crew members and its very convincing. This bomber encountered a ufo, which came alongside. It was about 100 feet in diameter, not that high actually and there were lots of colored lights along the rim blinking in sequence and about 3 portholes on a low dome on top of this thing. The interesting thing is that there was a 17 man crew on board as well as I think, a 5 man relief crew, something like that on board and they all saw this thing and it was there, I guess, for about 8 minutes. During this time these guys on board took photographs and I guess with special cameras and I know that they were given to them by Blue Book intelligence officers to take photographs in the event of such an encounter. Sure enough this happened and as soon as they landed everything was confiscated. Hopefully we will view them someday.
Ken:
I am going to ask you something out of sequence here, because I am very interested in this question. The NASA space program seems to be going nowhere as far as manned exploration is concerned, but I’ve always had the feeling that maybe there is a covert military program and that program has already landed people on Mars and built bases on the Moon and we just don’t know about it.
Timothy Good:
I tend to go along with that Ken, I can’t say that I know that for sure, but that’s my guess too. There is a public NASA and there is a very private, very secret NASA, there is no question about that in my mind.
Ken:
One of the things that seems to have convinced me about this, is something that you probably don’t know anything about, because it is on my website. I was going through the pictures from the 2 rovers that are on Mars and I found a perfect foot print in the soil on Mars. I’ve made it available to anyone that wants to look at it on my site and it seems to be a dress shoe of all things.
Timothy Good:
Okay, I’ll take a look at it if you can, you know, send me that link,.if you haven’t already.
Ken:
No I haven’t, but I will though if you are interested, sure.
Timothy Good:
Sure.
Ken:
You cite several instances of US presidents either meeting with aliens, or viewing their dead bodies. There is also a story that President Nixon took comedian Jackie Gleason to see the bodies of aliens.
Timothy Good:
That’s right, well that’s not published for the first time, that was at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida and Gleason came back and his wife confirms that he was white as a sheet and quite shocked and that is how she described that story.
Ken:
Now here is the thing, I have read many times that US Presidents were kept out of the ufo loop, and a story comes to mind about then President Carter going to Bush at the time who was the head of the CIA, I believe, and asking for more information on ufos and being shut out, you know.
Timothy Good
Well I wouldn’t be surprised, but certainly not all presidents are briefed fully and I think a few of them are not briefed at all necessarily. Clinton being one, he tried, but presidents that haven’t served in the military are not very popular with the guys controlling the situation, and Clinton certainly wasn’t. There is brand new information that I got from a very reliable source who was attached to the White House Staff and particularity connected with Air Force One, informed me that in 1961, 1962, President Kennedy requested to be taken to see the alien bodies and craft and his wish was granted and it was a top secret mission and I was not given dates and all I know was that I was given the name of one person, which unfortunately, I misspelled in the book. I was told it was McCue and that was the name that was given to me, but the chap questioned the spelling afterwards and in fact it was McHugh. General Godfrey T. McHugh was in charge of this top secret mission, along with many other generals on the plane and JFK was taken to Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida, to a small medical facility and I don’t know any more than that I am afraid. In view of later developments there might well be a connection there in my opinion, based on what I have learned.
Ken:
Well for those of us that are old enough enough to remember Stuart Whitman, I don’t know if you are, but I certainly am, tell us the story about his encounter with these aliens.
Timothy Good:
My goodness, this was, if I can find it, in 1965. I believeIt was during the great black out in the northeast.
Ken:
I know that well.
Timothy Good:
Yeah. I’ve got it here, here we are, page 254. He was staying in New York at the time and I can remember the stories in the American press about all that, but I thought for the first time I would include the story since so few people seem to be aware of it and it was actually November, it was the great American power blackout of the 9th of November and Stuart Whitman was alone in his hotel room in New York City during the blackout and was awoken just before dawn by a whistling sound by his 12th floor window, outside of which 2 strange objects could be seen. One of them was orange and one was blue, he explained to reporters. They gave off a strange luminescent light so he couldn’t see if there were portholes or who was in them. He heard them speaking as if they were on a loud speaker and they spoke to him in English. It may not have been audible to anyone else, he said. I was probably tuned into the right wave length. They said that they wanted to talk to me, because I appeared to have no malice or hate in my soul. They said that they were fearful of Earth, because Earthlings were messing around with unknown quantities that might disrupt the balance of the universe or their planet. They said that the blackout was just a little demonstration of their power and that they could do a lot more with almost no effort. It served as a warning, they said, that they could stop our whole planet from functioning. They asked me to do what I could to fight malice, prejudice and hate on Earth, and then they took off. I felt elated, he continued, I wasn’t even shocked. I was standing by the window and awake the entire time. I don’t know why they picked me as a contact, but I’ll swear on the bible that I saw them out there and that they talked to me.
Ken:
That is quite a story.
Timothy Good:
Isn’t it?
Ken:
It sure is.
Timothy Good:
I wonder if he is contactable these days?
Ken:
I don’t even know if he is alive, do you?
Timothy Good:
I don’t. I think I’ll have to Google him.
Ken:
Yeah, that’s a great idea. I would be interested in what he has to say too. You talk about ufo activity in the Vietnam War. Could you tell us some of the biggest cases that you know about?
Timothy Good:
One of the most interesting ones was given to me by Commander Will Miller, Willard Miller. He was one of the disclosure project witnesses. He gave me this story. I went specially to meet in Florida to get this story from him. He said that he was onboard the USS Leary, a US Navy destroyer during the 1969 cruise in the Vietnam War.(Reading a passage from Need To Know) Will was an Ensign at that time, US Naval Reserve, now retired at the rank of Commander. He and some crew members saw an object at a distance in the Gulf of Tonkin and above the ground and they thought that they were sort of Vietnamese fishing craft with lights and things, but then this thing started moving around with a completely different glow than the one coming from the fishing boat. It then came towards them and moved from above the water to below. It entered the water and moved rapidly toward our destroyer at 45 degrees to the bow, passing directly beneath the ship. We ran to the starboard side to see if the object had emerged, but there was nothing. Nothing was seen on our sonar, our surface radar, our electronic counter measures system. What ever it was, it wasn’t a submarine. We decided against waking the captain, but I decided that a deck log entry be made of the event, since we were required like all naval vessels to report any unusual observations.
All the ship’s official logs were always re transcribed for official submission, this was what Will told me. Years later I reviewed USS Leary’s logs at the US Naval HIstorical Center for the period of the incident, but there was absolutely no record of the event in the official log book. Now this is actually quite common.
Ken:
Yes it is quite common
Timothy Good:
:I have many cases in the book, including a case in 1971 on a huge destroyer, in which the logs were either changed or just….
Ken:
This was a very common practice on the aircraft carrier Roosevelt. They saw many ufos.
Timothy Good:
Absolutely. There are some correlations of the low level sightings over aircraft carriers, like in 1971, when I got a detailed report from an officer that held a top secret clearance, when a huge ufo disrupted all operations on the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy. That’s a very compelling case and I think that what’s at issue here and what was of interest to those ufos is that those carriers were probably carrying hydrogen weapons That is just my opinion, they are just letting us know that they know and that they can paralyze all our systems, you know, if it came to it. There is also this report in the book by a general at a press conference about ufos and this is a 1973 press conference. General George Brown who was Chief of Staff of the Air Force at the time. He was asked about what was the US Air Force’s position on the ufo business? (Reading from Need To Know) I don’t know whether this story has ever been told or not, replied the general, they weren’t called ufos, they were called enemy helicopters. They were only seen at night and only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the demilitarized zone in the early summer of 68 and this resulted in quite a little battle. In the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit. We never found any enemy, we only found ourselves, when this was sorted out. This caused some shooting there and there was no enemy at all and we always reacted and it was always after dark. He said that they had moved the radar in and the army stared to work and we finally got that radar out of there and they quit worrying about their problem. Anyway it goes on, but I think obviously there was a lot of stuff going on in Korea and in the Second World War.
Ken:
I think now we are getting more sophisticated and we realize what is going on.
Timothy Good:
Yes, yes indeed.
Ken:
I was interested in that paragraph where you talked about a triangular craft, which we think of as mostly just sailing across the sky noiselessly and not bothering anybody, attacking a Russian radar facility.
Timothy Good:
Yes.
Ken:
Maybe you could tell us a little bit about that?
Timothy Good:
Yes. This was in 1989, 1990, something like that. I need to find the page.
Ken:
You have a great memory I must say.
Timothy Good:
Well thank you very much Ken, but at the same time I am checking in the book for all the facts, since I like to get my facts right for your audience and I think it was at a place called Kuybyshev in September of 1990. This is a very interesting case. It was given to me by a journalist and engineer, a great friend of mine Nikolay Lebedev in St. Petersburg. He investigated this case. It happened on the 13th of September at a radar station 800 kilometers east, southeast of Moscow, where the radar picked up a large target at a range of no more than a hundred kilometers. It seems to scatter on the screen and at 42 kilometers it changed into a strong signal representing an isosceles triangle. Men came out of the underground bunker and the unknown object passed directly over them at about ten meters. This is what some of the military men said. “We could see it clearly since the perimeter of the base is always lit by searchlights”. The bottom of the object was smooth, but not mirror like, it was like a thick layer of soot. We did not notice any openings, portholes, or landing gear, but we saw 3 whitish blue beams of light. The corners of the object were slightly rounded. Now two soldiers, two sentries were sent to investigate, because this was a radar station, a portable radar unit. To cut a long story short, this thing actually landed by the fence near the short range radar post and it beamed light toward the number 12 radar unit and destroyed it and the beam of light, interestingly, passed right through one of the sentries without injuring him, so it had absolutely no effect. Other people who were there at the time had missing time, they disappeared. Extraordinary case.
Ken:
Yes it certainly is.
Timothy Good:
They said that each side of the triangle was about 50 meters in length and that about 50 yards I think. It landed with a soft rustling sound. The thickness of the triangle was about 10 feet. A v ery, very interesting event.
Ken:
Could you tell us about the event at Dublin Airport. That seems to be another very interesting event?
Timothy Good
That seems to be a very disturbing case which I got from 2 of Ireland’s top researchers. Carl Nally and Dermot Butler. This was in early January of 2004, when an Aer Lingus Boeing 737 400 series twin engined airliner was on its final approach to Dublin Airport. According to witnesses, including the pilot on another aircraft, an Airbus 5 or 6 miles behind in the landing pattern, a very large violet colored triangle came up from the ground. This was the night, it was 8:30 p.m. It came up from the ground and described a series of harassing maneuvers in front of this Boeing 737 on its final approach. To cut a long story short, the outside air temperature was heated up to about 164 degrees centigrade, it was violent turbulence, the wings of the plane were crinkled, the air brakes wouldn’t work, wouldn’t raise properly and so they had to make an emergency landing, fortunately with no bad results. This was very, very alarming for the crew and a similar thing happened. The same triangular craft was seen harassing another plane, 2 hours later at 10 :30 p.m. again on the final approach. Now we don’t have any names of the crews, because everyone’s frightened of talking about it. It was officially denied, even though we know the actual registration number of the airliner and we know that it was taken for repairs, obviously after this incident. Everything is denied at an official level and one can see why, because if people came out with this officially….
Ken:
No one would be flying anymore.
Timothy Good:
Sure. Just when you were beginning to think that it was safe to go back into the air
(We both laughed at this one)
Ken:
Before I get into the next question, do you think that we landed on the Moon? We actually did land on the Moon?
Timothy Good:
Absolutely.
Ken:
Because a lot of people say the backgrounds aren’t right, the shadows aren’t right.
Timothy Good:
What happens is that pictures get touched up just as they do in photographic models and all sorts of things. You want to present the product in the best possible light and if that means manipulating the pictures, it will be done. I think that thing about the shadows is that shadows do vary, unless you know the exact sort or contours of the ground, the territory and everything, its very difficult to say that this shadow shouldn’t look like this and that shadow shouldn’t look like that.
Ken:
Well one of the things people complain about is that they claim that they found the same background in some of the pictures, but the pictures were taken at different locations.
Timothy Good
I need to look at the individual frames. All sorts of claims are made like, how come they didn’t suffer from radiation. For heaven’s sake those space suits were very well insulated against radiation and meteorites and things like that.
Ken:
What types of advancements do you think that we have made from this alien technology?
Timothy Good:
Put it like this, Ben Rich who was sort of chief engineer of the Skunk Works, black projects and everything….
Ken:
Yes I understand.
Timothy Good:
Was asked at a lecture and he discussed it in more detail after the lecture at UCLA and one of the people there, I spoke to one of the guys who was actually there, the gist of it is that Ben Rich said that we now have the technology to go to the stars. This was like 10 years ago or more. It is just a question of a few equations, we now have the technology. That gives me the clue that we have very sophisticated technology, whether that’s with the approval of the aliens or…I don’t know. I think that there is definitely a liaison program, I am convinced of that.
Ken:
Do you know who Kelly Johnson is, was I should say?
Timothy Good:
Yeah. He was also involved in……
Ken:
Yes and here is what I want to ask you. Kelly Johnson was the main designer of the SR-71 Blackbird. That plane was so advanced that it still holds speed records today. Do you think that any of the technology used in that plane may have come from alien technology?
Timothy Good:
I doubt it, but its quite possible that some propulsive devices are used as a test bed in some of our more advanced aircraft. You have heard of the Aurora and things like that. There are top secret planes flying for more than 20 years before they are unveiled. I think beyond all that, beyond all the hypersonic vehicles, we have some sophisticated lifting bodies, or aircraft or spacecraft or whatever. There is the indication provided by a friend of mine who I feel very very sorry for Gary McKinnon, the world’s top military hacker. I call him Gary Hackin. He is a lovely guy, very sorry for what he did. Its dreadful, what the poor chap faces for what he did, being set up for 60 or 70 years in prison and the extradition is going ahead. I don’t know the latest up to date on that?
Ken:
Nick Pope said it was still on going and he couldn’t comment on it when I spoke to him.So that is the latest I’ve got on it.
Timothy Good:
It awful, because according to my information, the extradition treaty has not been passed by both houses of congress, I don’t think. I am not sure about that. The Brits are not too happy about it, because we still can’t extradite people from your country.
Ken:
Right.
Timothy Good:
Its a one way system. The Enron three which are still in prison, I mean you can wait up to 3 years before you go trial.
Ken:
Hey I agree with you 100%, believe me.
Timothy Good:
Gary as you probably know, is in the last chapter of my book, along with the most interesting thing that he discovered, if I can lay my hands on it it. He said that for him, I should add that I did talk to someone in Washington and pleaded for leniency concerning this, but unfortunately there is not a lot of sympathy for hackers in the military.
Ken:
No they want him and that is the bottom line unfortunately.
Timothy Good:
I said anyway you must look at the positive side of this, Gary did expose the weak security of the American military system, using Windows for example, not the most secure system for starters and no passwords in some cases. They neglected to protect their data with that.
Ken:
Plus they put in all these back doors that he discovered.
Timothy Good:
The most interesting thing that he told me related to the air force space command, which I am convinced is sort of in charge of this space development, which you were talking about before, surmising, you know, a top secret space program apart from the public one, that we know about. I found a list of officer’s names under the heading, Non terrestrial Officers.
Ken:
Yes I saw that.
Timothy Good:
He didn’t mean little green men.(Reading from Need To Know) I think it means non Earth based. I found a list of fleet to fleet transfers and a list of ship names. I looked them up and they weren’t US Navy ships. What I saw made me believe that they have some sort of spaceship off planet. He sort of expanded on this. He said finding the first image on my pc, the Earth or at least a blue and white planet with no continents visible, filled 2/3rds of the screen. Midway between the camera, he puts that in parenthesis, hung a cigar shaped object which had geodesic domes above, below and to the left and right. I didn’t see any seams, bolts or telemetry antenna. I think that’s very interesting indeed.
Ken:
Very interesting. Listen, at this point I have been talking to you for over an hour now. I love this and I could go on a lot longer, but I don’t want to take advantage of you. How do you feel about this?
Timothy Good:
I am okay for about another 25 minutes or something like that.
Ken:
Okay, great. Let me ask you this question. From your book I get the feeling that you feel that we could be attacked at any minute, am I correct, or is this an erroneous assumption?
Timothy Good:
I didn’t mean to imply that, certainly there is that possibility, things are going on all the time. It is definitely still a conflict situation.
Ken:
Well here is what I wanted to ask you in relationship to that anyway. How do you feel that we could possibly protect ourselves from people that would be so much more advanced than us and could just sit off in space and bombard the Earth?
Timothy Good:
Well they can do things in a more subtle way, like take over.., we hear about the abduction phenomena. I mean, what protection do we have against that for heaven’s sake?
Ken:
That’s for sure.
Timothy Good:
You know things can be done in a very subtle way. What is the abduction program for? I have thought long and hard about this and I have had abduction type experiences myself. I am not saying that I have been abducted, but I have had abduction type experiences, over a very very long period. I am familiar with with many of the symptoms at least. I don’t know, but I do think hybridization is the name of the game. For who’s benefit? I always ask this question. For who’s benefit, is it for theirs or is it for ours? They always say for our benefit, but you know if they are producing a hybrid, I can’t help but think that some of them may have our planet in their sites as some place to live. I don’t know.
Ken:
Or to improve our nature.
Timothy Good:
Well I like to think that would be the case. We certainly need it dramatically upgraded, that’s for sure and in this time above all. Frankly I am more concerned about people on this planet than people from elsewhere, even though I grant you that some of them are dangerous. .
Ken:
Well let me ask you this. You say that you have met with some of these aliens. The aliens you met with, were they all from the same race or have you met with several …..
Timothy Good:
I don’t know. The communication that I had with them was all telepathic, with no conversation.
Ken:
Ah no physical contact?
Timothy Good:
The first two were both in the United States and they were in response to a telepathic request to identify themselves, if they were from some place else. In both cases they did very dramatically and very obviously and they certainly looked extremely interesting physically. There was no conversation. I had an experience last year in a certain country. People have always said to me Tim, why don’t you talk to these guys? I don’t know, is the answer to that. One just doesn’t feel like talking to them, but I did have an opportunity, a possible encounter last year, I spoke and there was absolutely no response, even though the guy was 2 feet away from me, staring straight at me. There was no verbal communication, so it doesn’t make any difference if you talked to them. Let me tell you about the most interesting experience I had, which was in New York in February of 1967. I was with the London Symphony Orchestra, we had a series of concerts at Carnegie Hall. Between my rehearsal and concert in one day, we set up to try and establish some sort of communication with these guys, because I had been speaking with people who had meetings in Washington, just come back from Washington to speak with friends of George Adamski who had a craft come right over their home in Silver Springs, Maryland with a total of 4 witnesses and Madeleine Rodeffer is alive to this day and she will be happy to talk to anyone on the phone. She doesn’t answer letters, she is slightly arthritic, but she will be happy to talk to people. She was there, the film has been authenticated. The frame in the book, the latest book, “Need To Know”, I’ve reproduced the pictures in color in “Alien Base”, which has also been published. I am convinced that film was genuine. It was authenticated by the chief project engineer at Eastman Kodak at the time. The craft was about 27 feet in diameter. Anyway there were meetings, liaisons, going on with some of George Adamski’s coworkers and Adamski himself earlier and I was wondering if I could make a link and I sat in my hotel lobby, of what was then called the Park Sheraton Hotel. I sent out a telepathic request that went something like this, if there are any of you guys in the New York area, please come and sit down besides me and prove it. Okay, you have to be careful in New York, especially in hotel lobbies. Various people came and went. Finally this guy comes in, he is straight out of Madison Avenue, he looks, I wasn’t anywhere near Madison Avenue I should say, 7 and 57th or 6 and 57th Street or something like that. This guy came in immaculately dressed. Charcoal gray suit, white shirt, dark tie, wavy fair hair, about 5 foot 10. Very intelligent looking, tanned. If I were to put a race to him I would have said possibly Scandinavian. But anyway, he came down and sat down besides me. I thought immediately that there was something about him, just his general demeanor and he slowly opened an attache case. It looked kind of graceful and deliberate. He took out the New York Times and turned the pages over about one every two or three seconds. Then he folded the paper, put it back into the attache case, closed the attache case and just sat calmly there. In my mind I said right, if you are from somewhere else would you place your right index finger on the right side of your nose and hold it there. Immediately I saw that he took his finger and held it to the side of his nose and he kept it there. Okay, so I was thinking hey, what do I do now? Is he going to give me the secrets of the universe or what? I decided just to stay put and do nothing. I thought, are you going to talk or do something? I didn’t get the guy speaking. I tried a little more telepathy, but I didn’t get a response, he just sat there. Eventually he stood up and he just looked at me for quite a while, sort of dispassionately with no particular expression on his face. He looked extremely intelligent. He had sort of quite pleasant but penetrating eyes. Eventually he walked off and left the hotel. I never saw him again, but I’d recognize him again. So that is a very convincing exchange for me.
Ken:
That is an amazing story.
Timothy Good
People say look, couldn’t he have just been a telepathic Earthling. Yeah sure its possible.
Ken:
Too many coincidences.
Timothy Good
Well yeah and a similar incident in 1963. This was a girl waiting in line at a diner. We stopped on the 512 mile trip from Tucson to Los Angeles. We stopped for a break, it was time for a half hour break to get a sandwich or something. I just saw this extraordinary looking, quite petite girl waiting in line. She looked quite exceptional in terms of her facial features. Extremely intelligent and unusual, so I sent out the thought, are you from elsewhere? She had a completely dead pan expression on her face, but as she came past me, did a curtsey and a huge smile and bowed. I had friends with me and they didn’t know what was going on. Then the dead pan expression came back and she just walked away. I’ve never seen her again, but I can’t quite frankly, I don’t know if I would recognize her again. She is very similar to the description of Kalna in Adamski’s “Inside The Space Ships”
Ken:
Right. Well I don’t mean this as an insult, but could you tell me if you have ever been tested for ESP?
Timothy Good:
I haven’t been tested, but I have been interested in that since as long as I can remember. I mean, for example I have attended very interesting seances in my late teens with my mother who was gifted, especially in terms of healing. I have attended so called direct voice seances, I have attended semi materializations, all sorts of things. I think the most impressive was a direct voice seance, I don’t know if your familiar with direct voice seances? That’s when the medium goes into a trance and a trumpet is projected from the medium from ectoplasm and goes right up to the face of the sitter. The room is usually in darkness, but there is a luminescence, a phosphorescence around it. Its a cone, so you can see where its going. I am very skeptical, I’ve also got very long legs, so while all this was going on, the trumpet actually came right up to me in my face, so I’ve got my legs sort of sticking around in the air and everything and there was nobody, nobody speaking through that thing. I can tell you it spoke to me and I could recognize the voice, it was my aunt. I went to another seance where a famous conductor came through, who wouldn’t give his name until much much later, until I was testing him. I won’t go into all the details, I was testing him for information, which eventually came out and he announced himself, he was a certain famous conductor and my mother was present at the time and she knew him, so she knew what his voice sounded like. I said this was fantastic evidence so many years ago, so I’ve seen all the evidence I need. Incidentally both those mediums, certainly one of them was strapped into a chair while in trance and the jacket was also sewn up, so they couldn’t be responsible for what was going on. So I was testing everything, moving my arms, there was nothing but a disembodied cone and voices spoke through it, definitely.
Ken:
Well here is the last question that I am going to ask you. One witness saw something through binoculars in the sky. It was sort of a platform that had corners at each end and had turbulence above it. Yet when he took the binoculars away, even though this object was low in the sky, it was invisible. Then when he put them back on, he could see it again. The binoculars were coated. Have you ever heard of anything like this before?
Timothy Good:
No, that’s very interesting.
Ken:
Well I’ll tell you the truth, I am the witness. I was sitting in my back yard. I’ve never told anybody that it was me. I was sitting in my back yard and just happened to be looking at the sky with binoculars and this is what I came across. It seemed to be a platform that was being slung under a helicopter. That is the only way that I can describe it. You could see the turbulence of where the blades were, but yet when you didn’t look through the binoculars you could see nothing. No turbulence, nothing. It made me think of these new experiments that they are conducting now with two types of invisibility. One being cameras that are above something that show what is above, below on screens and the other one is bending light. I was wondering if I just happened to be a witness to some experiment in this field?
Timothy Good:
You could have and I am sure that you are aware that many witnesses have reported a boiling effect. around a craft sometimes. Sometimes they can make themselves invisible, they probably rotate the photons on their craft 360 degrees. They can make themselves invisible if they choose, but they are still perfectly solid. That effect has been noted, a sort of boiling effect going around.
Ken:
Right. This was only above the craft though, it wasn’t below it.
Okay at this point I am going to allow you to say whatever you want to say.
Timothy Good:
Oh my goodness me, you will have to cue me I think. What do you think that your audience would like to know?
Ken:
I still have a lot of questions, I could give you a question if you would like?
Timothy Good:
Sure.
Ken:
Okay, one of my favorite questions. Why do you think that the US seems to avoid taking hi res photos of the Cydonia region of Mars?
Timothy Good:
Short answer, I don’t know. I have to say that I have never found the face convincing. I don’t believe that is a face on Mars, in my opinion. I do however think that we will find traces of a previous civilization on Mars, no question.
Ken:
You know, I sort of feel that way myself.
Timothy Good:
I think that there is a lot, even in some of the pictures, that gets through, there is some very weird stuff.
Ken:
That’s for sure.
Timothy Good:
And on the Moon Incidentally
Ken:
Yes, yes, like the lighted craters that the astronauts saw?
Timothy Good:
Yes, that came out recently didn’t it?
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